I studied some more on Patrick Mahomes, and have decided that I just don't know. What I do know is that all the impressive stuff he does at the combine shouldn't move him up...but of course will.
One guy called him another Johnny Manziel, except bigger and (read this part) better. Better. B E T T E R.
The reading and progression stuff is scary on all these air raid guys. One writer said that the interviews during the combine will answer those questions, but he is wrong.
Almost every quarterback can show talent evaluators an understanding of pro concepts, and come up with correct answers on a white board. But for many, the classroom stuff flies out the window under pressure.
As I've said 20 or so times, it's not about intelligence, or even nerves. Some people just aren't wired right to process that quickly.
And Mahomes is like Manziel (no evidence of a drinking problem that's not what I mean stop it give me a break dammit). He throws from all sorts of arm angles and doesn't bother planting his feet. He plays "sandlot" football, and just has amazing body control and instincts.
CBS Sports is the most pragmatic scouting report I've read on Patrick, but I'm the grain of salt on some of that:
Hue Jackson and I don't give a damn if his mechanics look screwy as long as he is accurate. It is GOOD that he is "sloppy" and yet completes almost 66% of his passes. That part of his "negatives" is just plain silly. He's a natural, and some rules don't apply to him. Too bad they never fixed Bernie's side-arm motion, right?
What matters in this report is his tendancies not to trust his receivers (throw before they make their breaks--anticipate--) and to hold the ball too long.
As I've been trying to explain to the deaf ears, Hue's ideal offense is based on timing, and Mahomes hasn't proven he is even capable of working in that kind of system.
Look at RG3. A smart guy! But he's still having issues trying to run that scheme, even under Hue Jackson.
However, Hue Jackson is different, and adapts his offense to his players. His master-playbook is thicker than the Bible. Because this is Hue, and the "hot seat" crap is bullcrap, Mahomes might well be worth a calculated risk, even at twelve.
As one (other) smart writer pointed out, whoever drafts Mahomes needs to plant his butt on the bench for at least one full season, and drill him relentlessly in running whatever system that team runs.
Bullcrap aside, Cody Kessler is the likely starter (unless they land Garopollo), which means Hue's timing offense in 2017. Mahomes would be drilled on 3,5, and 7 step drops, and systematic checkdowns. He'd get lots of slaps upside the head for not throwing on time, or not being where his blockers think he is (and making them look bad).
Hue would have a year with him, and he'd get to practice the other pro offenses against the starting defense, including the drop-back mad bombers. After 2017, Hue would reassess:
Will he be able to do what Kessler does? Does he have the mental hardware? I know I can run more verticals and run options with him, but should I do that, or keep him in the pocket and force him to run the timing stuff? Will he master it? Can he? If not, maybe I should just go deep more, and let him stand there or scramble and do what he does best.
Hue Jackson is different, see? Hue himself was a super-short dual-threat college quarterback. He lacked the physical tools to make it in the NFL, but this was his foundation.
If only I had been a few inches taller. If only...if only.
This is why Hue makes the most of every quarterback he's worked with. He couldn't do it himself, but he can be Doctor Frankenstein, and create monsters.
Once again, Hue Jackson said that a franchise quarterback consists of a running game, good protection, decent receivers, and a decent defense. HE "reached" for Cody Kessler in the third round, and said "trust me".
Hue AGREED with Sashi and company on the trade-downs away from Carson Wentz, partly for this reason. All those extra picks are building the supporting cast, and Kessler will do fine in 2017.
Too many of you guys are kicking Shon Coleman to the curb, and utterly ignoring Corey Coleman's game-breaking talent. You've decided the Nassib experiment is over, Rango has peaked and is in decline, and most of the wide receivers are busts after their rookie freaking seasons! Honestly, it would be funny if you weren't allowed to vote.
I forgot Jamie Collins and the free agent centers, cornerback, and safety but I digress:
I think Mitch Trubisky is the best quarterback here, and wouldn't be surprised if the Browns drafted him first overall.
As wierd as it sounds, Trubisky, with his thirteen total starts, is the safest quarterback in this draft. But first overall is the only way, and there goes Garrett.
I have to mention one bad article I read, decrying the fixation with quarterbacks, and once again insisting that the team must be built first, and then, after your game manager gets you down below the eighth overall pick in the draft, go pick a franchise quarterback off the franchise quarterback tree.
The screams you hear are coming from this guy's torture chamber, and is his logic.
Beyond that, most of the supporting cast is in place! Coleman, Pryor, Crow, Duke, and Gary among others, and an offensive line which, despite losing both starting guards and Erving's failure at center, PFF ranked about average!
Five of those linemen are second and third year ascending players, and you're trying to replace them already come on, man!
Even if it were true that the offense needed a talent infusion, you don't pass up a potential franchise quarterback! You just don't play him until the rest of the unit is established!
This is the time to hit free agency hard. That's correct, but the priorities should be extending guys like Kirksey and locking up guys like Pryor long-term.
I know without reading it that this guy is talking about signing guys over 28, looking for instant gratification. These fools would overpay decending players hoping to win eight instead of six games, while waiving young developmental players, and we've been there/done that.
There are a lot of examples, but the most obvious one was letting Taylor Gabriel go and keeping Andrew Hawkins instead. Sashi Brown may have learned his lesson, but I guarantee you this writer did not.
Finally, everything that happened before 2016 is irrelevant. It does not exist. If you want to bash the front office, don't even mention stuff they had nothing to do with. Bash them for Scwartze and Gabriel, second guess the trade-down, but don't parrot this "for years and years" crap!
The Browns need a franchise quarterback, and can't pass one up.
Right now, I think it's either Trubisky or Garopollo. I really want Myles Garrett, so I hope it's Jimmy, or that Hue finds somebody else.
But damn, I really like our home boy...
...or not. Number Fire took a hard look at the top quarterbacks with historical comparisons. They rank Brad Kaaya first, Mahomes second. Kaaya outperformed the other guys vs common opponents.
Analyticly, none of these quarterbacks project well. I'm back on Mahomes because he's unique and will be available later, and even thinking about Kaaya in the second round or lower.
Good grief hey Jimmy! Get over here!
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