Barry: DEATH CHAT QUESTION ONE1. Kevin Shaffer has reportedly asked for a trade following the Browns decision to draft Joe Thomas. If you were GM, would you consider his request?
John: No
Fred: No. What's his problem? He gets his money anyway.Jeff: Not until I know more about Ryan Tucker, which means I wait until 2008.
John: Stick Tucker at RG, move Shaffer to RT, and tell him to STFU.
Barry: Well said
Barry: Prima donna behavior doesn't go over well with Browns fans.
John: And I can't tell you what "STFU" means Jeff. :-)
Fred: I figured that out
Jeff: I think I can guess what STFU means.
John: Shaffer looks like the anti-prima donna, but he plays the role well.
ME: If the Browns do zone-blocking, forget Tucker at guard. Stop ASSuming that Shaffer can handle strong side defenders. Kelly Butler is a capable right tackle who is improving, and you are all MM's. Quit making the businesslike trade-request as a prima-donna act. Dumb people always exhaggerate and overreact. Shaffer has every right to ask to be traded. The Browns have every right to act upon it, or not. Cased closed, you stand corrected.
Barry: QUESTION TWOBarry: 2, Brady Quinn. Should he start Game One? What is your reasoning?
John: If he beats out Chuck and DA, yes he should.
Jeff: No. Carson Palmer sat a year.
Fred: No. Unless he blows them away. I would say the winner of Anderson/Frye
John: Bengals had Kitna.
Barry: If I'm Romeo Crennel, I start him, because I know how much damage the other two can do.
ME: Oh now shut the hell up! Anderson did remarkably well in his first ever starting stint with a bad team, up until the last game. And he's getting better, not WORSE. Dumb people like to stick everybody in big boxes--Call this one Charlie Anderson. It's not really dimb--just lazy. And Frye with better support, and now that whopping sixteen games under his belt, might stun and amaze you by not being as bad as he was last season-JEEZ!
Jeff: Vince Young, Jay Cutler, Matt Leinart. Waiting works.
John: I'd prefer he sits, at least for a few games, but if he wins an open competition...
Fred: I don't think Romeo plays rookie QB, unless he's told to
Jeff: That is true, but I wait anyway.
John: Kerry Collins, Jake Plummer and Kurt Warner are my answers to those three rookies.
ME: FREEZE! Jake MEANT it when he retired, and why not just call Testaverde or Kosar?
Barry: Interesting. If I'm Romeo, I start whoever I think can help me win the most games, and keep my job.
ME: You are correct, sir.
John: Again, though, I'd prefer he sit.
Barry: I say throw him in there. We got a well-prepared QB from Charlie Weis. Let's use him.
ME: Start the one who beats out the other two NEXT!
Barry: QUESTION 3. The Browns have acquired a couple of interesting rookie free agents in Tyrone Moss (Miami), Curtis Brown (BYU), and several others. Who do you think will be the second and third string RBs when the season starts?
Fred: Harrison
John: Wright and Harrison.
Jeff: Harrison and Wright
Barry: Wright and Moss. I like Harrison but he obviously was doing something last year that Crennel didn't like.
Barry: Because he vaporized.
ME: Gimme a break! When they SAID he couldn't pass-protect, they meant it. He was used to give him some reps and then sent to the weight room. The new coordinator's from the San Diego system, and I think that there they comprehend that an outlet pass to a scat-back takes about 1.5 seconds and keeps the QB clean.
Barry: And they got a bunch of UDFA RBs for some reason.
ME: Yes--to challenge WRIGHT. They keep trying to replace him, but they can't. He's another Byner.
Fred: If Moss was any good, he'd have been drafted
John: He was being what we call a "rookie".
Barry: Pffft. Don't forget Chris Barclay.
John: You and your UDFAs Barry
Jeff: I think Harrison will grow from Year One to Year Two.
John: Agree Jeff.
Barry: Hope you're right, Jeff.
ME: ...wow...sentience!
Barry: 4. Are there any players you like who were drafted on the second day? Why? (Browns players)
Fred: The one area I was disappointed in draft day
Fred: No
Barry: Two words: Leigh Bodden. Two more: Josh Cribbs. Thank you... I"ll be here all week.
ME: You GO, Barry!!!
John: There was a second day to the draft?
ME: Ok hold it! We got a talented but undersized zone corner, and two players with all the traits of good 3-4 DE's who just need to bulk up. And the other guy.
Barry: It might be confused with the Official OBR Adult Beverage Recovery Day, John.
John: The Draft Bash Jaeger was still in full effect.
Jeff: I want to see that Purcell from Hawaii. Unlike Rich, I never heard of him until Sunday, but his stats look good.
ME: That's true. I found out he got a bunch of sacks. Needs to gain 20 lbs. and play lower. Have some patience, though. Please. For the love of God please.
Fred: Phil said no one on second day excited him as why he traded for Wright. He then traded for a seventh round
Fred: Might have been a favor to Jerry Jones
John: If they get contributions on special teams from the second-day guys it'd be a bonus.
Barry: I'll simply say that I think Pittman and Steptoe are interesting players, and have done with it.
Barry: QUESTION 5. CB Eric Wright, LT Joe Thomas, QB Brady Quinn. Which has the highest "bust" potential? The lowest?
Barry: That's a head scratcher, right there. Heh.
John: Wright highest, Quinn lowest.
Jeff: Quinn has the highest, Thomas the lowest.
Fred: Wright bust because if he slips character wise, Thomas lowest potential.
ME: I believe that the drugs were in a shared room. If Wright's prints had been on the bag, he'd have been prosecuted. From what I've discerned, they weren't his at all. Before and since he has been a MODEL citezen in every respect. So gimme a break!
Barry: I'd say Wright and Thomas, so I think we all have different answers.
ME: I refuse to answer on the grounds that thinking about it might lower my IQ.
Barry: Rolling right along...Barry: LIGHTNING ROUND! LIGHTNING ROUND!!
Fred: We had some of that last night
Barry: One and five are kinda weird.Barry: 1. Name the top-rated cable show on TV last week: The Sopranos, NFL Draft, WWE Raw, or Spongebob Squarepants.John: DraftJeff: DraftFred: draftBarry: Wrong! I listed them in the order of popularity. WWE almost beat the draft.Barry: I'll find a link if you're curious. Never underestimate the appeal of organized crime.John: Dork.Barry: You say "Dork" as if it's a bad thing.John: There is no organized crime, just well-dressed Italian familiesBarry: 2. If you were paid $36 million dollars,with a $9 million signing bonus would you happily scrub toilets for seven years?Fred: absolutelyJohn: yesFred: twice a dayBarry: Abstaining on this one, JEff?John: Jeff's mulling this one over.Jeff: YesJeff: Yes I would, I mean.Barry: I'd do it, but I'd need an interesting hobby.Jeff: I thought you said 1 and 5 were weirdJohn: lolBarry:
ME: zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
3. Braylon Edwards was apparently available for interested teams during draft weekend. What round draft pick would you have been willing to accept?
Fred: 1 or 2
Jeff: second
John: 2 or 3
Barry: I agree... second rounder is what I was thinking
John: Glad they didn't deal him though.
John: Too much talent to let go right now.
Barry: I think Edwards still has upside... this is the key year for him.
Fred: you mean the president of the Brady Quinn Fan Club?
Barry: Braylon's fickle... loves Charlie one day, Brady the next.
ME: A SECOND? Are you out of your damn mind? He's the team's ONLY deep threat! You know what a defense will do to you if they don't sweat you deep? Jeez do you guys know anything about football? I despise his backstabbling and his drops more than anybody, but...dayumm!
Barry: 4. Which time had the greatest optimism for the future of the Browns:(A) 1999, (B) 2002 following the team's playoffappearance, (D) Weeks following the Browns 2006 free agent spending spree, or (C) The days following this draftJohn: Go back to sleep Fred.Fred: 2006 faJeff: I would say 1999John: Tie between A and CBarry: I reversed D and C didn't I? As labeled A and C, JT?John: Yes.Fred: I'm all confusedBarry: It's say this is the greatest optimism, right now.Jeff: Carmen the liar had us believing the Browns were smarter than the 30 other teams.Barry: That's true. We were so young and naive back then
ME: ...you guys done babbling about nothing? Good. lol (had to do that. everybody else does.)
On Quinn's deep accuracy issues: I'm not a doctor, but could play one on a blogsite, and have this to say about that:
Possibly one part of it is that he workes out with linebackers and tight ends. He's all pumped up.
The amount of coordination to throw a fairly light football accurately at long range is amazing. The whole body is used, from the toes to the opposite shoulder. The twitch of a pinky can induce a wobble and alter it's trajectory. Letting go a nanosecond early or late, or even leaving a thumb on longer than the fingers or vice versa, will send it into the ground or up in the air.
What if your chest and arm are stronger than they were a couple days ago, but your butt and legs aren't. Well, it probobly doesn't matter it you're stepping up in the pocket, but if you're running around and have to get acrobatic?
You can't practice throwing while running around. I mean, you can, but it's different every time, especially in a game. Many, many variables. And the throw will neccessarily come more from just the upper body than the whole body--and there's no such thing as a "back foot".
I'm hopeful that changing and stabalizing his workouts, and perhaps getting him to do Yoga or something, might help it a lot. It's just a theory I have. Again, as I understand it, his bad throws mostly come when he scrambles and goes deep. Any "mechanical" issue is exhaggerated by distance.
Baseball pitchers--do they pump a lot of iron? Can they get away with it? Yeah, maybe that's it...
Oh well I'm done.
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